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me too, i thought it would feel like a bigger thing off my chest, but it doesn't really feel like it. I think she kinda knew, well she knew that something was wrong, that something was getting to me, but it might feel better soon
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| wow! now your mum understands you betta! |
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| yeah, i hope, she still doesnt know about other stuff, but i really don't want to tell ehr about that |
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| i think she deserves a little respect maddy. |
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| she may want respect, but i dont want to tell my mum i was molested, do you know how har that would be? |
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| c'mon, you will both die? you are a cop out lady! |
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So. It's been over a year since I first started this topic on my sexuality. And I must say that it feels as if alot has changed since then. I wish I could tell you all sorts of amazing stories on how much better my life has gotten, but I would be lying to you all.
The guy I was talking about in my first post in this topic (who used to be my best friend) broke it off. And it's been kind of downhill from there on. I got into a fight with my best friend Jenny, which lead to her spreading my biggest secret all over school (I know how childish that sounds). Luckily for me, it was my last year there so the humiliation only lasted so long. It still amazes me, how many of my 'friends' turned their backs on me. Sure, you hear stories of it happening. But you never realise how quickly and harsh these things go, until it happens to you.
Enjoying what's left of my summer holiday right now, I find myself left with three amazing people who've supported me through the whole thing. Two of them don't even know the truth of the story, but have just heard the rumors. I live in a small town where rumor spreads faster than the speed of light. It's surprising that I can't even show my face ANYWHERE, without being called certain things or looked at. And oddly enough, you get used to it. On the bright side; it spared alot of coming-outs.
In my last year of high school, I fell in love with a classmate of mine. It's been an incredibly hard year for us living with those rumors. But I feel as if it only made us stronger as a couple. The rock bottom for me was last new years eve when my ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend and his dozen friends beat up me, my boyfriend, two friends of ours and left us lying there on the pavement. Ever since then, I've noticed that I've changed. It was then when I realised I didn't care anymore about keeping up appearances. I didn't care what people thought of me and my boyfriend. Not to be too dramatic, but I feel as if it made me so bitter. My embarrassment for my homosexuality turned into some kind of hate for whoever didn't approve.
I must admit that even though me and Maarten have been together for almost eight months, I still haven't told my parents about it. Even though I'm sure they already know. So far we've told his aunt, sister, best friend and even his grandmother. And I still haven't gotten to that point where I can. Does that make me weak in some way? I wish I could be more like him, but I simply don't have the guts yet.
His grandmother (who's not your typicial grandmother, just so you know:P) told us she feels sorry for us..in the way where she realises how tough our lives are going to be from now on. She too realises we're always going to be talked about, looked at. It's something that sometimes just won't go away.
What I regret the most is how my coming out happend. Not by myself, but by someone who I trusted more than anyone in the world. I still have alot to work on. But I feel I shouldn't get too obsessed with my being gay. It can't be healthy. I'm in a fantastic relationship, with someone who loves me more than anything and vice versa. That's all that matters to me. I'm happy with who I am, and I can't wait to fully start a life with him.
I know this is a huge post to read. But I felt like I owed everyone who read this topic an update on how everything's been going so far. I know it's not much, but I'm working on it. I'm really looking forward to hearing other people's stories on how their life is going? I wondered if I'm making things harder for myself, or that things are the way they are because Jenny opened her mouth..
Either way. Thanks alot for listening to my story. I find the people on these boards to be amazing people. It's weird, but you don't find that everywhere. Maybe there's a little Immi in all of us:P Come to think about it, I wonder what her feelings on homosexuality are. Ive never heard her talk about it before. |
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Fabler wrote: So. It's been over a year since I first started this topic on my sexuality. And I must say that it feels as if alot has changed since then. I wish I could tell you all sorts of amazing stories on how much better my life has gotten, but I would be lying to you all.
The guy I was talking about in my first post in this topic (who used to be my best friend) broke it off. And it's been kind of downhill from there on. I got into a fight with my best friend Jenny, which lead to her spreading my biggest secret all over school (I know how childish that sounds). Luckily for me, it was my last year there so the humiliation only lasted so long. It still amazes me, how many of my 'friends' turned their backs on me. Sure, you hear stories of it happening. But you never realise how quickly and harsh these things go, until it happens to you.
Enjoying what's left of my summer holiday right now, I find myself left with three amazing people who've supported me through the whole thing. Two of them don't even know the truth of the story, but have just heard the rumors. I live in a small town where rumor spreads faster than the speed of light. It's surprising that I can't even show my face ANYWHERE, without being called certain things or looked at. And oddly enough, you get used to it. On the bright side; it spared alot of coming-outs.
In my last year of high school, I fell in love with a classmate of mine. It's been an incredibly hard year for us living with those rumors. But I feel as if it only made us stronger as a couple. The rock bottom for me was last new years eve when my ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend and his dozen friends beat up me, my boyfriend, two friends of ours and left us lying there on the pavement. Ever since then, I've noticed that I've changed. It was then when I realised I didn't care anymore about keeping up appearances. I didn't care what people thought of me and my boyfriend. Not to be too dramatic, but I feel as if it made me so bitter. My embarrassment for my homosexuality turned into some kind of hate for whoever didn't approve.
I must admit that even though me and Maarten have been together for almost eight months, I still haven't told my parents about it. Even though I'm sure they already know. So far we've told his aunt, sister, best friend and even his grandmother. And I still haven't gotten to that point where I can. I wish I could be more like him, but I simply don't have the guts yet.
His grandmother (who's not your typicial grandmother, just so you know:P) told us she feels sorry for us..in the way where she realises how tough our lives are going to be from now on. She too realises we're always going to be talked about, looked at. It's something that sometimes just won't go away.
What I regret the most is how my coming out happend. Not by myself, but by someone who I trusted more than anyone in the world. I still have alot to work on. But I feel I shouldn't get too obsessed with my being gay. It can't be healthy. I'm in a fantastic relationship, with someone who loves me more than anything and vice versa. That's all that matters to me. I'm happy with who I am, and I can't wait to fully start a life with him.
I know this is a huge post to read. But I felt like I owed everyone who read this topic an update on how everything's been going so far. I know it's not much, but I'm working on it. I'm really looking forward to hearing other people's stories on how their life is going? I wondered if I'm making things harder for myself, or that things are the way they are because Jenny opened her mouth..
Either way. Thanks alot for listening to my story. I find the people on these boards to be amazing people. It's weird, but you don't find that everywhere. Maybe there's a little Immi in all of us:P Come to think about it, I wonder what her feelings on homosexuality are. Ive never heard her talk about it before.
Hi Fabler, I hope you're doing good man. I read your first and last posts on this forum and I have to admit that your life seems to be in odd similarity to mine. Of course some things that have happened to you haven't happened to me. I haven't been beaten up but then again I am 6ft2 in height and 16 stone in weight.
I'm not going to delve into my story too much because it's in the past and I don't worry about it anymore. One thing which has bothere dme though is the line "Does that make me weak in some way?". No it does not. Different people are different in their own way. Your boyfriend has his way of dealing with it, as do you. Take YOUR life at your own pace, at your own a capability. True it can get hard but you keep going because you get stronger.
I too had my 'secret' leaked by someone at a party I wasn't even at. I had tried SOOOO hard to keep that secret from people at school. To let you understand, I was two different people, the quiet caring guy at school who was reasonably private about his life, and the guy who was [at the time] bisexual amongst his out-of-school-friends. It was a new thing for me.
I've happily come to terms with it, and I like who I am and what I am. Unlike some in the world, ie. a certain friend, I do not make my sexuality my life. It is only PART of me. I am discreet however. I do not tell people I am gay because I don't think it's their business unless they NEED to know. I'm also very private in my relationship in the sense that neither of us like public displays of affection so there is no worry for me about what others think.
As long as you are happy as a person, truly happy, then nothing else should matter. Live YOUR life, no one elses and letno one have an opinion about who or what you are or do. It's simply nothing to do with them. Just live your life and walking through all the hardships in life only makes you a stronger person. Don't try to force anything, but let it come naturally. Let it feel comfortable.
Thanks for sharing your story by the way. I felt I needed to read and write on this thread because I've had many problems caused by it, ie. at school, and I have a strong opinion about relationships and sexuality.
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Wow...I think it's amazing how 'coming out' stories can be such a conversation topic.
Fabler, I read your story. I can't believe someone who called herself your friend would do that. Even if you two got into a fight, it's still unbelievable. I've gotten into massive fights with friends and even broken all ties with some, but I would never go around telling their secrets. Nor have they done it to me. I am glad though that you found a someone. Your story has a pretty happing middle (I'd say ending, but it's definitely not an ending).
Him.Over.There (Haha, If I tried to abbreviate you'd be HOT), your story has its sucky part too! I don't understand people's fascination with 'outing' other people. It's unnecessary and plain stupid. You're right, it's nobody's business. For some reason, they always want to MAKE it their business. People fear what they don't understand and it's ridiculous.
Ironically, I can relate closer to Fabler when it comes to someone close spreading it. I made the most massive mistake of letting my crush know I liked him. It was accidental, but still happened. Whereas he was promising me he wouldn't tell anyone, he was telling EVERYONE he knew. He told one of my friends, and he told his girlfriend (Who was one of my best friends) and she started telling people! Needless to say, I no longer have a crush on that piece of crap. He's way to narcissistic for me and I'm done with his arrogant attitude.
My mom found out through a note I stupidly left in the bottom of my bookbag. She's okay with it, but mad at me for not telling her. She told me that while reading the note, she felt the same as she would if my dad told her he was cheating on her. That's one way to make me feel better...God.
I'll admit I haven't completely accepted myself. There are days and nights where I absolutely hate myself. I guess mostly because I feel lonely sometimes. What's worse is that I have feelings for one of my best friends...and just being with him breaks me.
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Coming out stories? Hoo boy, those can be a doozy. In all honesty, mine wasn't really of epic proportion or anything. I mean, I think it was kind of normal and low key; first I just thought I was Bi, then I kinda just realize that wasn't the case, so much I was just looking fro a reason not to be looked at like some out cast. Eventually, I just kinda got over it and started telling people when the situation presented itself. However, I can't say being out and telling people has made me any happier. Sure, its given me more freedom, but living in a place like I do, homophobia and general bigotry run rampant. I've never been attacked for being gay or anything thankfully, but a lot of the times I kinda wish that would happen, and its not cause I have some weird metal quirk or anything, its just that... no one ever talks about it. I mean, any time I try to bring it up, even with friends its always hush-hush, like I'm going to open up the gates of hell if I say anything about it, and its really quite annoying. Even more so though, is that when I try to talk about something, like a guy I think is cute, my female friends start giggling like a bunch of idiots like me being gay is some novelty joke. Quite frankly stuff like that just pisses me off and further reminds me that in a case like this, I don't really have someone to relate with about this in person.
As much as I try not to be like an angsty teen, I really can't help but to feel depressed about a lot of this stuff. I mean, all my friends are straight so the don't understand a lot of the time, not to mention I'm 18 and have never been on so much as a date, let alone ever kissed someone else, and yes I know people say I'm young and I have time and everything like that, but it often gives me this feeling of being... almost broken or something. That I can't even find the affection of someone else, and without that positive reinforcement it sends my mind through a loop and twists my self perception. Honestly, I never had much self confidence to start, and it hasn't gotten any better. In the end it feels like the only person who I can turn to for anything is myself, and I'm especially bad at providing myself any kind of emotional comfort.
The kind of sad thing though is that as much as the internet can be refuge to gay people, I find it sadly pales in comparison to anything real. Sure, the people know what I'm talking about, but seeing written word only subdue my anxiety for a little bit, but I honestly wish I could have that real world comfort of having someone to relate with. I know that there's someone real behind whatever avatar or account or whatever, but there are some things that even the internet can simulate, but no need to go into that.
I apologize for being kind of... emo about all of this, but it really does get to me a lot. Maybe things will pick up as I leave off for college but still, for such a long time of bleak despond, I can't help but just be a little brooding about it. Again, I apologize for that. ^^;
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Aloiv wrote: Coming out stories? Hoo boy, those can be a doozy. In all honesty, mine wasn't really of epic proportion or anything. I mean, I think it was kind of normal and low key; first I just thought I was Bi, then I kinda just realize that wasn't the case, so much I was just looking fro a reason not to be looked at like some out cast. Eventually, I just kinda got over it and started telling people when the situation presented itself. However, I can't say being out and telling people has made me any happier. Sure, its given me more freedom, but living in a place like I do, homophobia and general bigotry run rampant. I've never been attacked for being gay or anything thankfully, but a lot of the times I kinda wish that would happen, and its not cause I have some weird metal quirk or anything, its just that... no one ever talks about it. I mean, any time I try to bring it up, even with friends its always hush-hush, like I'm going to open up the gates of hell if I say anything about it, and its really quite annoying. Even more so though, is that when I try to talk about something, like a guy I think is cute, my female friends start giggling like a bunch of idiots like me being gay is some novelty joke. Quite frankly stuff like that just pisses me off and further reminds me that in a case like this, I don't really have someone to relate with about this in person.
As much as I try not to be like an angsty teen, I really can't help but to feel depressed about a lot of this stuff. I mean, all my friends are straight so the don't understand a lot of the time, not to mention I'm 18 and have never been on so much as a date, let alone ever kissed someone else, and yes I know people say I'm young and I have time and everything like that, but it often gives me this feeling of being... almost broken or something. That I can't even find the affection of someone else, and without that positive reinforcement it sends my mind through a loop and twists my self perception. Honestly, I never had much self confidence to start, and it hasn't gotten any better. In the end it feels like the only person who I can turn to for anything is myself, and I'm especially bad at providing myself any kind of emotional comfort.
The kind of sad thing though is that as much as the internet can be refuge to gay people, I find it sadly pales in comparison to anything real. Sure, the people know what I'm talking about, but seeing written word only subdue my anxiety for a little bit, but I honestly wish I could have that real world comfort of having someone to relate with. I know that there's someone real behind whatever avatar or account or whatever, but there are some things that even the internet can simulate, but no need to go into that.
I apologize for being kind of... emo about all of this, but it really does get to me a lot. Maybe things will pick up as I leave off for college but still, for such a long time of bleak despond, I can't help but just be a little brooding about it. Again, I apologize for that. ^^;
Anyways, I guess thats my kind of state of sexuality.
Like you said, people always say "You've got plenty of time" and I'm going to reiterate that because it's true. Don't rush into any relationship of some kind because until you're ready for it there's no point putting yourself through that hassle. It does take a wee while to adjust to it, but you will be fine in the long run. That's the case for any relationship, not just a gay one.
I can understand how it feels to never have anyone to talk to about it, that was pretty much the case until I came out to my mum. I never had any friends who knew about it until about 17 years of age, so I tried to subdue it or put it aside as knowing how someone will react is always a worry.
I'm 20 now and I've only just started going out with my boyfriend since March. That's the first one I've had. So these things take time. The best thing I think you could do is just to keep living your life and anything that bothers you, square up to it face on. For example, if your girl-friends laugh when you mention a guy is good looking, turn to them and ask them why they are laughing. If they don't give you a valid reason then you have every right, which you do have in the first place, to tell them to, put simply: shut up.
Things will change as you get older. You become more used to yourself as a person and as you come out to more people, if you want to, then you become even more comfortable with it. Not everyone will agree with it, that's a fact of life. But don't worry about that, because it's not your problem if they have a problem with it. It means they are too narrow-minded to understand and accept it.
You're 18, you've only just turned into a young adult. Don't worry about where your life is going or what you feel you HAVE to do. Just have fun. And anything that's worrying you, talk to someone or like I said, face it. Things do move on when you go to college. You meet new people and providing you don't know anyone there in the first place, you can be whoever you want. People you have come out to know who you are I expect and they see how you change.
I actually cut all contact with old school freinds because of this. I felt having them there, as they've seen me growing up and changing, meant I couldn't leave the old me behind. But you do change, that's for definate.
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I know this may sound a bit weird, but reading all these stories here online makes me feel a bit more comfortable with the whole idea of being gay. I know it's crazy to think I am the only one in the world going through these things, but it really feels like that sometimes. I should learn to stop looking at the glass half empty for a change, because I've been doing that way too much lately.
I've got a great boyfriend who loves me more than anything else in the world, and the people who used to give us their cold shoulder..I won't be seeing them for quite some time. It's just hard, in public..knowing how people will talk about you. I'm sure it takes some getting used to, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
I'm really glad with the way people reacted to this topic so far. It's nice to see some good for a change, when it comes to this subject. |
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Him.Over.There. wrote:
I hope this helped Aloiv. 
Can't say that it really does ^^;
Its the same old thing that I already knew and keep coming back to; just having to sit and wait. I'm terribly impatient especially in a situation as mine. Its the waiting that drives me insane cause I don't even know if patience will be rewarded, cause as of now its gotten me no where @_@ |
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Fabler wrote: It's just hard, in public... owing how people will talk about you.
I'm going to be a tad harsh in this reply, but it's not meant to be as harsh as it sounds.
Simply don't show the affection towards your boyfriend in public as you would in private.
I'll actually give you my opnion on relationships to back that up so it doesn't come across that I'm a bit of a harsh tit.
I see relationships as a very personal and private thing between two people. A very special thing. I therefore, feel that it should be kept private as I don't want others seeing that special thing I have. I don't want to share it with others, especially when it is so difficult to do anything without a load of other people knowing about it.
That also goes for me seeing other couples. Both straight and gay, I simply do not want to see it. I feel like I'm intruding on that thing and I personally don't feel the need for it to be done in public.
Myself and my boyfriend are very private people. We're just like good friends around other people. I don't hug him, kiss him or hold hands with him in public. That's both of our choices. In our own time together, it's a different matter.
But anyway... that's what I think. You can show your affection to you boyfriend, but do it in a discreet way so the two of you know how one another feels, without telling everyone else. It's going to attract negative attention, no doubt about that.
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Just wanted to congratulate you on accepting this
I mean your sexual orientation is quite a big part of you, so you've got to be honest with yourself. I'm not gay or bi personally but I always look up to people who have the courage to come out and admit it. |
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Just to clear something up. When I was talking about being in public, I didn't mean pda If you've read my posts you'd know I wasn't even close to pda at all. I'm not a big fan of it myself either. What I meant to say was that the rumors spread really fast in my town so alot of people know. And by that I meant I couldn't even walk down the street without a few people looking or talking. It's embarresing, and I hate it.
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Ah, okay I apoligise.
Well in that case, the best thing you can do is ignore it. It's nothing to do with you if they are staring and gossiping. That's simply their own insecurities and something THEY need to deal with and come to terms with.
People who deal with something such as sexuality have a different kind of strength because it's something they go through themselves. They also tend to be more level headed. Or at least I'd hope. Some of my former gay friends leave a little to be desired in terms of personality. I say former, because like school frends, I also reduced contact with them considerably to a point where I didn't speak to them.
I dunno if it's a good thing or a bad thing that I have such a scary lack of attachment to most people.
Anyway, yeah, don't let people you don't even know bother you. It's not your problem. Perhaps if they were in your position they'd understand a little better. But alas. |
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How did I ever miss this thread?
I'm 19, been out since I was about 16, also not by my own doing, ...
I'm not gonna get into the whole ramble right now, but let me just tell you Fabler (I've not yet read all the rest). You've managed to find boyfriends. As in, more than one even. I've not managed that. Hell, I haven't ever been kissed.
On the other hand, I've never had too much trouble with homophobia so far. I dunno, maybe it has to do with the fact that I'm pretty comfortable with myself, and that it sort of shows that I do'nt really care what people think of it. In the end, no matter what they say, I'm still gonna like boys and love it, so.
And we don't live too far away from each other. I'm from Belgium.
I'd actually thought the netherlands in general would be a more tolerant place. My town isn't that big, and I'm sure a bajillion people I don't know, know of me because of my sexuality, but.. As long as they don't bother me with their prejudice... whatev..
But seriously. I'm happy for you that you manage to find someone who stands by you in a relationship like you do. It's got to be one hell of a support.
(ps. that mike guy is fucking cute! Actually, so do you. What's with all the cute boys on here lately? Not complaining.) |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:51 pm |
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Okay... Mitholas... you've confused me a tad.
You said you've been out since you were 16 right?
So I'm assuming you're a lesbian...
BUT... you wrote this: "You've managed to find boyfriends. As in, more than one even. I've not managed that." and "In the end, no matter what they say, I'm still gonna like boys and love it, so."
Which makes me wonder if you're a lassie, but straight... and confused.
Or a guy...
And I'm confused because you're picture is a girl.
So... simple question... are you a dude or a dudette?!
Sorry about the confusion... maybe I'm reading it wrong. Sorrrrryyyy!!
Back on topic however, like I said to Fabler, you've have all the time in the world to meet someone. It does take time but you'll find someone eventually. Don't think about it too much. As I found out, when you stop looking for someone, then you meet them!
It's amazing how it happens. I think you just miss the people who matter. I just got my head into the mindframe of "Yeah... I haven't been out with anyone yet, but... I'm not bothered, I have more important things to do at the moment."
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:37 pm |
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Him.Over.There. wrote: Okay... Mitholas... you've confused me a tad.
You said you've been out since you were 16 right?
So I'm assuming you're a lesbian...
BUT... you wrote this: "You've managed to find boyfriends. As in, more than one even. I've not managed that." and "In the end, no matter what they say, I'm still gonna like boys and love it, so."
Which makes me wonder if you're a lassie, but straight... and confused.
Or a guy...
And I'm confused because you're picture is a girl.
So... simple question... are you a dude or a dudette?!
Sorry about the confusion... maybe I'm reading it wrong. Sorrrrryyyy!!
Back on topic however, like I said to Fabler, you've have all the time in the world to meet someone. It does take time but you'll find someone eventually. Don't think about it too much. As I found out, when you stop looking for someone, then you meet them!
It's amazing how it happens. I think you just miss the people who matter. I just got my head into the mindframe of "Yeah... I haven't been out with anyone yet, but... I'm not bothered, I have more important things to do at the moment."
WOOP! 
I'm a guy My avatar is Tori Amos (in her Clyde persona).
It's the MithoLAS, bit innit? I've had it before. It's actually a LOTR reference.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:50 pm |
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Him.Over.There. wrote: Ah, okay I apoligise.
Well in that case, the best thing you can do is ignore it. It's nothing to do with you if they are staring and gossiping. That's simply their own insecurities and something THEY need to deal with and come to terms with.
People who deal with something such as sexuality have a different kind of strength because it's something they go through themselves. They also tend to be more level headed. Or at least I'd hope. Some of my former gay friends leave a little to be desired in terms of personality. I say former, because like school frends, I also reduced contact with them considerably to a point where I didn't speak to them.
I dunno if it's a good thing or a bad thing that I have such a scary lack of attachment to most people.
Anyway, yeah, don't let people you don't even know bother you. It's not your problem. Perhaps if they were in your position they'd understand a little better. But alas.
Exactly! Completely with you on it.
One thing I'd like to add, with the recent climate in the Netherlands, especially around Amsterdam... Be careful.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:30 pm |
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Lol, this actually makes it that much more fun knowing you're from Belgium. And believe me, as cute as Mike may be; he screws it up by being such a macho-wannabe a-hole. I always say the two years I spent with him were the best two year of my life so far, as well as the worst two.
Believe me, love feels great. But it feels like hell when it's unanswered.
I indeed know Im very lucky to have found someone as incredible as Maarten. But I've had several 'relationships' that didn't last that long, because they were a bunch of manipulative users who weren't even sure about themselves. Believe me, it took me some time to find someone like Maarten. I guess I got lucky.
Please don't start about the climate. I work at a clothing store and I airconditioning broke down a week ago. I'm soaking wet when I arrive home everyday:P
Anyway. You seem to be the kind of person who is so comfortable with his being gay and I majorly respect that. I wish I could be like that, and I really wanted you to know that. I'm sure in time, love will happen. It happens when you least expect it..believe me.,
ps. where did you see me and mike? just wondering:P |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:29 pm |
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Lots of people are comfortable with their sexuality. It's just one of these things you need to get used to, like everything else really. No rush remember.
And Mitholas, I do ever so apologise lol!
Guy it is!!
And now I think about it... I do remember you saying I was "cute".
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:00 pm |
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^I had a hunch that was going to come up
Fabler wrote: Lol, this actually makes it that much more fun knowing you're from Belgium. And believe me, as cute as Mike may be; he screws it up by being such a macho-wannabe a-hole. I always say the two years I spent with him were the best two year of my life so far, as well as the worst two.
Believe me, love feels great. But it feels like hell when it's unanswered.
I indeed know Im very lucky to have found someone as incredible as Maarten. But I've had several 'relationships' that didn't last that long, because they were a bunch of manipulative users who weren't even sure about themselves. Believe me, it took me some time to find someone like Maarten. I guess I got lucky.
Please don't start about the climate. I work at a clothing store and I airconditioning broke down a week ago. I'm soaking wet when I arrive home everyday:P
Anyway. You seem to be the kind of person who is so comfortable with his being gay and I majorly respect that. I wish I could be like that, and I really wanted you to know that. I'm sure in time, love will happen. It happens when you least expect it..believe me.,
ps. where did you see me and mike? just wondering:P
Ok, Mike sounds like exactly the kind of person I'd date. Ridiculously pretty, but in the end unhealthy. Funny thing is, I'd even be more than willing to do that. Not in a desperate kind of way... Cuz I'm ok with being single... but in the way that I'd like to see how I function. I'd like to see how all that feels, I'd like to see if I know when to get out.
Cuz trust me, I've been there. Only difference was that my ridiculously pretty macho was straight. Adds that level of complicity, don't you think?
Maybe I'm one of those "I'd rather be with the wrong man than no man at all" kinda guys, I dunno. I'm just very ready to just... plunge into relationships and feel them out. Good parts, bad parts.
About the climate... yeah weather's a bitch, but I was actually talking about 'potenrammers', as they are so lovingly dubbed
And yes I am. Majorly. But it took me a LONG time to get there. It took me literally years to pronounce the word gay without flinching... hell, I still have trouble with it sometimes.. Not in English though, for a funny little fact.
You know what helps? Pretending it's no big deal. Around everyone. Just be open and secure, and I find people often don't see the point in being mean about it if you really just don't care what they think about it. (not telling you to flaunt it, I'm just saying what I seem to notice.. then again I've never had much grief about it to begin with, so)
For instance, if someone shouts "homo" to me in a non-kidding and non-friend kind of way.. I just kind of turn around and go "You know, it's not an insult if it's true." And sometimes, just to play on their nerves I'll add "also, it's a proven fact (it isn't) that most homophobes are actually gay themselves... something to think about".
Be careful with that though it could indeed get you beat up
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:46 am |
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Actually... I'm strangely in the mood for divulging a little story about myself while I was at school. I've not told very many people about it, mainly because it's no ones business and also because it was probably the worst two months of my school life, possibly even my entire life.
When I was in 6th year, I became really good friends with a guy in the year below me. His name was Alastair. He was in one of my classes and before that we had never actually met. He was the typical guy you get at school: bit immature, tad destructive, moaned alot and generally didn't like doing work. On the other hand, you had me, a hard working, nice, sensitive guy, a bit of a nutcase because of hormones and moods.
The two of us became really good friends. I got on really well with him and we had a good laugh and usually hung about alot at lunchtimes and out of school.
I was only out to one other person who we both knew. His name is Graeme. I don't really talk to him anymore because I don't see him as much now we're away to Uni. But myself and him had also become good friend through that same class, and also through my sister who was friends with him and a bunch of other people. I knew straight away he was gay. I said that to him one day after a walk around town and he nervously told me. Burt I didn't tell him back because I didn't want ANYONE knowing incase I got sh*t for it. A few months later he found out about me and I think he was a bit upset and betrayed since he had confided in me but I hadn't trusted him.
Anyway, me and Alastair hung about and I think Graeme was a tad jealous sometimes. I knew Graeme liked me but all I did was drop hints and tease. Then I'd freak out and push back, then do the same thing again.
Every so often, me and Alastair would fall out because we got on so well we got sick of one another sometimes. But he liked this Girl in my year; her name was Lynne. I wasn't sure if I liked her too but I kept my feelings subdued because Alastair liked her too. Eventually he asked her out and I think I was bit gutted.
A few weeks past and Lynne and Alastair were still going out and I was still friends with everyone etc. There was a joint 18th of two girls in my year, both very popular. Nearly everyone in my year, and the year below, some in the year above [who had left school] and some outside people had been invited. It was a really good night.
However, that night, I ended up kissing Graeme. The worst place to do it too, the bathrooms. I was pretty drunk, actually really drunk as I found out later that it had happened a third time, even though I had only remembered twice, and other people had known about it etc. I won't go into details, because it's embarassing and cringeworthy. I also ended up pouring my heart out to my friend Kim about my "love for Lynne".
I was really REALLY drunk, might I add.
Anyway, the following two weeks... we were all off on October Holidays. The rumour spread and so many stories were heard. I went back to school to a bombardment of different things and it took an incredibly long time for those rumours to dissipate. I pushed Graeme away cos I freaked out. I was so scared I would be found out. He said we did kiss, I said we didn't.
At the same time all this was happening, myself and Lynne had grown close as friends and I thought I had started to like her more. I thought she liked me back, more than Alastair. He was insecure all the time and would go on a strop because we got on so well. One night I text her asking if I was the type of guy she would ever go out with. But Alastair found the text on the phone [I was sitting RIGHT beside him at the time] and he miscontrued it, thinking I had asked her out.
We fell out, and I fell out with Graeme after drifting apart. Alastair and Graeme teamed up and they made my life hell... I was pretty much separated from my group of friends because of there inane bitching. It was horrendous. I remember Lynne's words one day, they went something like this:
"You chasing me, makes me realise how much I like being with Alastair."
That hurt.
Anyway, myself and Alastair made up a couple months later. And Graeme and myself made up a year later. I apologised for all the crap that had happened and he apologised back,
Alastair is now in the Navy. I now know I had really strong feelings for him. I fell out with him one night and ended up crying in front of my mum. She said to me "Do you think it's a little bit more than friendship you feel for him?" and she was right. He was the first guy I had ever cared so strongly about and I don't really think he was worth the hassle in the end.
But alas... the worst scenario I ever have been, and ever want to be in. A four way love scenario. Something like you'd get in a movie...
It's quite sad, in both respects. If you've got this far, then you have my SEVERE gratitude.
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Fabler wrote: So. It's been over a year since I first started this topic on my sexuality. And I must say that it feels as if alot has changed since then. I wish I could tell you all sorts of amazing stories on how much better my life has gotten, but I would be lying to you all.
The guy I was talking about in my first post in this topic (who used to be my best friend) broke it off. And it's been kind of downhill from there on. I got into a fight with my best friend Jenny, which lead to her spreading my biggest secret all over school (I know how childish that sounds). Luckily for me, it was my last year there so the humiliation only lasted so long. It still amazes me, how many of my 'friends' turned their backs on me. Sure, you hear stories of it happening. But you never realise how quickly and harsh these things go, until it happens to you.
Enjoying what's left of my summer holiday right now, I find myself left with three amazing people who've supported me through the whole thing. Two of them don't even know the truth of the story, but have just heard the rumors. I live in a small town where rumor spreads faster than the speed of light. It's surprising that I can't even show my face ANYWHERE, without being called certain things or looked at. And oddly enough, you get used to it. On the bright side; it spared alot of coming-outs.
In my last year of high school, I fell in love with a classmate of mine. It's been an incredibly hard year for us living with those rumors. But I feel as if it only made us stronger as a couple. The rock bottom for me was last new years eve when my ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend and his dozen friends beat up me, my boyfriend, two friends of ours and left us lying there on the pavement. Ever since then, I've noticed that I've changed. It was then when I realised I didn't care anymore about keeping up appearances. I didn't care what people thought of me and my boyfriend. Not to be too dramatic, but I feel as if it made me so bitter. My embarrassment for my homosexuality turned into some kind of hate for whoever didn't approve.
I must admit that even though me and Maarten have been together for almost eight months, I still haven't told my parents about it. Even though I'm sure they already know. So far we've told his aunt, sister, best friend and even his grandmother. And I still haven't gotten to that point where I can. Does that make me weak in some way? I wish I could be more like him, but I simply don't have the guts yet.
His grandmother (who's not your typicial grandmother, just so you know:P) told us she feels sorry for us..in the way where she realises how tough our lives are going to be from now on. She too realises we're always going to be talked about, looked at. It's something that sometimes just won't go away.
What I regret the most is how my coming out happend. Not by myself, but by someone who I trusted more than anyone in the world. I still have alot to work on. But I feel I shouldn't get too obsessed with my being gay. It can't be healthy. I'm in a fantastic relationship, with someone who loves me more than anything and vice versa. That's all that matters to me. I'm happy with who I am, and I can't wait to fully start a life with him.
I know this is a huge post to read. But I felt like I owed everyone who read this topic an update on how everything's been going so far. I know it's not much, but I'm working on it. I'm really looking forward to hearing other people's stories on how their life is going? I wondered if I'm making things harder for myself, or that things are the way they are because Jenny opened her mouth..
Either way. Thanks alot for listening to my story. I find the people on these boards to be amazing people. It's weird, but you don't find that everywhere. Maybe there's a little Immi in all of us:P Come to think about it, I wonder what her feelings on homosexuality are. Ive never heard her talk about it before.
Well first off let me say that I think it is great that you are being true to yourself, that takes a lot of courage. Now after typing a 30 essay on discrimination *1/2 being on sexual orientation* I can honestly say that I am so sick of the way ppl. treat people who are open with their sexualtiy.
I also wanted to say that I am so sorry that your friend went and did that too you, it's very obvious your a good person so don't let this get you to down, and whatever you do please don't sink down to that level. I know it really hurts when someone you tursted so much goes and just turns your world upside down, i've recently had something like that happen.
*Cue solo violin*
Me and my Ex- girlfriend had been going out for about 7 weeks, but with us in college and during summer semester I could not handel it. I felt as though I was not being a good boyfriend and I thought and told her that she deserved so much better than me. So I told her I thought we should still be friends for the pure fact that I knew I was a suckish boyfriend. I mean for me school will always come first. W/O an education how will i make & to survive? or even to buy gas? lol. But anyway I told her she deserved better and that I thought we should just be friends, another reason why I thought we should break up is b/c I always got the feeling she thought I was going to cheat on her even though i told her a million times that I was not like that, cause I mean Im not. I believe if you have someone special don't screw it up. But I had a lot of friends who are girls so that just got her all crazy with the green eyed monster. So after that she pretended to be okay then the trouble started, she starts doing all this crap to me like taking litte stabs at me, harsh words behind my back that I cheated on her and that I only loved myself and nobody else. So after that I vowed I would never date friends again. I mean I loved her so much and I expressed it, we would both post lyrics into our blogs every sunday *our ann.* to express our love (hehe immi was every one of my songs X)
but you know she totally made me feel like the bad guy, and she still to this day is going around my back talking crap about me. I mean I felt horrible for ending it but my grades were suffering so what else was i to do? And any way her last boyfriend ended the relationship by phone and worst of all he told her that she was boring and tha they did not need to talk anymore. So I mean I tried and she's not helping so I have finally given up.
*Sorry for the redirection of attention and for the long post*
The whole point of this is it hurts when your friends or someone very close to you stabs you in the back but you have to look at it this way if they were true friends the thought of hurting you would never even enter their mind. I hope there is a way for you two to make up. And I really hope things look up for you .
Take it from immi....
The best day's are coming right up.....
if we can just get through this ONE! lol!
Best of luck
Tj
P.S. in regards to the last part I believe I read in a interview that immi is fine with homosexuality. She says they have good taste X) she's so adorable.
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